Showing posts with label plato. Show all posts
Showing posts with label plato. Show all posts

Saturday, April 28, 2018

Free your mind, and think free, it is the key to the real philosophy


Ancient Greek temple at Paestum
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Kimmo Huosionmaa

In the beginning, I must say that we haven't got a single hard evidence about the advanced technical civilizations, what has lived on Earth before human race has started to dominate the world. Here I must mention, that, of course, there is a story like Plato's "Atlantis", where is mentioned that there have been secret cities what were populated by people, who had squamous skin.


Sometimes I think that maybe Plato wrote pure fiction, and the story of the powerful state, known as "Atlantis" was pure science fiction. In that case, this Mr. Plato, of course, decorated the story more attractive, and he told the story about the "Egyptian priest" who told that first. In the time of Plato people were traveled so much as today, and the "Egyptian priest" was the person, who gave this story the taste of exoticism. And maybe Plato heard that story from some storyteller in some theater, and he made own version of this very popular story.


In fact, the size of Atlantis was not very big, the size of the city-area itself was about 5000 square meters, and I thought that maybe that if Atlantis existed, would Plato make it much bigger, what it was before he got that story. And of course Plato wanted to show his patriotism and the story, how Athens troops won that city were told only for decorating that story and make it more pleasant for the people, who controlled Athens in that time. But there is another kind of things, what people should think before they justify anything. It is possible to make diving suits by using the skin of Catfish or Shark. Other ways are using the greased leather, what also keeps the person dry.


Also, it is possible to dive very long time by using the bottle, where is carbon filter on it. In this case, the "long time" means longer than without that equipment, what is used in World War II submarines to escape and evasion system. But we don't know did those ancient Mediterranean civilizations knew that carbon would clean the air. When we are thinking about technically advanced civilizations, we must understand one thing. In that time about 500 years, B.C. was almost everything what was more complicated that stone-axes technically advanced.


Maybe some city-state holds the techniques like the balloon flight by using heat air balloons. Normally there is a very big mistake, what people normally make when they are talking about advanced civilizations. They think that those ancient civilizations had all technology, what we have today. People don't think simple things, like heat air balloons, what are made by using the natural material. They don't also think that big fishes like sharks tails can also use as the swimming equipment. In this case, the swimmer just pulls the sharks tail like pants and uses that thing as the swim fin.


So in those cases, the ancient Greeks just saw something, what they were not seen before. The dry suits might be very fascinated in the eyes of the Ancient Greeks. But this is only thinking about technical advantages from the long time ago. And when we are looking those stories, we must understand that they were been made better during the history. The last versions of the story of Atlantis might be made under the control of propaganda leader of Nazi-Germany Dr. Joseph Goebbels, who wanted to rewrite history, that it was supporting the propaganda of "white race".


And in that case, the Nazis saw themselves as the descendants of those "White Aryan race", what was living in the Atlantis. This is one perspective for the ancient mythology. It has been always modified to serve the purpose of governments. In the case of stories of ancient Greeks, the background of those very patriotic tales can be found from British headquarters in World War I, what wanted to rise the nationalism in Greece.


The British empire was in the war against Turkey, and in that time Greece was part of Ottoman Empire, and that's why British interest was established revolt in Greece. Of course, that nation must be proud of it's past and that's why British propaganda makers made those stories more patriotic than they ever were because in this case, Greeks must feel that Turkish were tramped the rights of a great nation of Greece. And the reason for that just made the revolt in that area, what was important for Ottomans and Austrians, because that place was the point, what was controlling sea route to the Mediterranean sea, and warships must pass that area if they wanted to leave to sea.


In that case, British commanders thought that the revolt was more easily to establish in Greece than Istanbul, what was in Turkish mainland. The British army needed also supporting area, what might use in the strike against the city of Istanbul. But that plan ever made in action, because the Ottoman Empire falls for internal reasons. This is very interesting part of history, what was rewritten for serving the national interests. And we must understand that when we are reading the texts of ancient philosophers. And at the last, I must ask one question about the ancient civilizations: "have you ever met any ancient Greek, who told that there is no hidden civilization on Earth"?


This is the very good aspect of discussions about ancient civilizations. We haven't met any ancient Greek, and even we meet some person from that era, that person can tell lies to us. But maybe those ancient wise men had created the method how to fix our DNA, or they have put their diary in the place, where it was not destroyed. But as I told you the diary can also be faked by some members of British Headquarters in 1916. Or this can be made by some antique dealer in 1992 when he tried to sell that thing to some person, who wanted to show that Ancient advanced civilizations were true.

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Monday, April 16, 2018

What actually is ancient Greece in philosophy?

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Kimmo Huosionmaa

Many times in philosophy have mentioned some persons from ancient Greece. That place and time were full of philosophers, who created many thoughts about things, like idealistic republic and atomic models, but people almost ever asked one simple questions about those philosophers. They ever ask "why those texts are made in long time ago"? In philosophy, the key thing is not proof anything like in some empiric investigations. And what means or what is the role of ancient Greece or philosophers of ancient Greece in that profession. Another question goes like this: what is the difference between the philosophical and historical Greece?


The element of philosophy is to use rhetorical argumentation, what makes those texts or speeches feeling right. And the problem of philosophy is that philosophers are professional thinkers, who sometimes say something, what is not pleased the persons who keep the force in their hands. And that's why is more comfortable to say that some ancient philosopher said those things before some Voltaire said those things in some place because in those cases Mr. Voltaire would be escorted in the cellar of that castle, and then the brutal extortion began.


In the time of Voltaire, there was one golden rule in making writings. The kings or other noblemen should not embarrassed, and the best way to embarrass those people was show that they were wrong. Kings were perfect people, what means the thing, that they could ever be wrong in many cases. But when we are going to meet the modern philosopher's relationship with some man, named Socrates or Plato, we must say that none of the modern philosophers could ever meet those persons from ancient Greece. And in the real life, we can't go and ask anything from Plato or Socrates.


Maybe in some day in tomorrow we could build a time machine, and then we could go to meet those great men from Greece, but before that, we can only use our imagination, why those philosophers claimed to say something, what might be the reason, that those philosophers have made so much claiming. Other philosophers have put their own texts to their name, and we can't go to ask those Greeks that what they really have said or written in some garden in ancient Greece at the beginning of history.

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Wednesday, January 31, 2018

The writing about the theories about ancient advanced civilizations

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Kimmo Huosionmaa

When we are talking about ancient advanced civilization, what was blown away by the meteorite, we must say that those things are only theories. But when we are looking at those theories in the viewpoint of the people, who lived in the time of example Plato,  we must say, that in that time the knowledge of technology was not in the same level, what it is today. If we would live in the time of Plato, we couldn't necessarily even see the power of the convexed mirrors, when they would target the sunlight in the same point.


That might be the very impressive thing, in that time, when the priests have focused the convexed mirror in the particular point when the woods were started to burn. And in that time maybe some priests knew the lightning conductor, what is actually the tallest place on the ground. In that place would the lightning strike during the thunder, and that's why the king's enemies might place in the tallest place, and then the "thunder god" would tell that person, who is the leader of the gang. It's the very impressive thing when the lightning strikes the tree, and that will seem like some effect of the SciFi-movies.


Of course Chinese made rockets at the time of born of the Christ, and those equipment were very impressive. The Chinese used their rockets same way as the modern military uses bazookas, and those equipment were very effective. And probably the Gilgamesh epos mentioned the early Chinese rocket, what was the size of the spear.

Antikythera mechanism
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But when we are talking about the very advanced civilizations, we must understand, that the technology what that civilization might use is not probably exactly same, what we have nowadays. There is some strange artifact, like "Antikythera mechanism", what is actually the astronomical clock. The problem of that mechanical machine is so advanced, that similar machines could wait until 18th. century. The question is, what the builders of that mechanism actually made with it? Where did that civilization go?


And why they didn't apply that knowledge to the military equipment if somebody was threated them? There were many awesome cities in the world of antique, and many of them just disappeared in the history. When we are taking the vision of the ancient civilization in the visual angle of Plato, we must understand that time the military leaders were shown little bit tougher and intelligent, what they actually were.


Of course, the enemy of those states must have the skills of the gods, because that made own troops seem tougher. At that time were also written the adventure-novels, and some texts what mentions the advanced civilizations could have the fictional origin, but who knows what is the truth about those things. In the time of antique, there were not needed much information or knowledge to become the god. Only the knowledge how to build the lightning conductor could make the person seem like the friend of the "thunder god".

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antikythera_mechanism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantis

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Thursday, November 16, 2017

The story of the Atlantis and philosopher Plato




Kimmo Huosionmaa

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We have right to think our self. And in this text, where I will think about things what might make the good explanation for the UFO:s. This text is only thinking if some ancient civilization could have so advanced technology, that they could flight to the stars. There is no evidence that this kind of civilization would ever exist, so this is only the philosophical text, what could be behind the mythical Atlantis. In the history were many good books, what I sometimes think. When I remember the Edward Bulwer Lytton’s book VRIL the coming race, I must say that there are many things what people must think, when we are going to find other civilizations. Those civilizations might not need the planet with an atmosphere.

They need only the planet, where those aliens can dig giant tunnel network under the planet surface. Those aliens might come from the other planet, and they might build they civilization under the planet's surface. That kind of imagination underground civilizations might be work as the giant ant society. And here I must say that those aliens might not come from the stars. There is a story that some scientist went to an underground because they didn’t want that their work has been sent to wrong hands.

When we are talking about underground civilizations, there is an old parascientific theory, that human had got civilization before the ancient Greece rose from Greek islands. That is known as “The Atlantis theory". In that theory, the human race has had highly technical civilization and advantage. And for some reasons that technically advanced civilization collapsed, and they lost their technology.


When we are thinking about Plato’s Atlantis, some philosophers have thought that if Plato spoke the truth, there is a possibility that in the Solon’s time some Athenian soldiers would march to the place, there might be some strange ruins, what those men claimed to be conquered by the Athenians. That misunderstanding about the thing, that Athenian phalanx has won those ancient men, was not probably lying. The reason for that thing might be that in this time, the language of greek was not so advanced that there was a world “find".


Or they didn't want to say that they went to empty town, because they needed rest, and that's why those men made the story of the Atlantean army, what they won in the battle. The world form that "the Atlantis lost in the sea" might mean, that this outstanding city forgot from the people mind. Or maybe Plato wrote that text in that form because he afraid revenge of Egyptian priest, who's competition Plato may have eavesdropped. Or maybe that "priest" was some leader of the phalanx or some other military unit, and Plato wrote that text in the panic because of he afraid that something bad was going to happen to him if that eavesdropping was uncovered.


Or some people think that commander of the phalanx was told excessive stories because he wanted to highlight his legions achievements. But where those Atlantean men would be gone, and why that spectacular and hypothetical civilization would be gone? If that technologically advanced civilization would really exist on the earth, and if that civilization disappeared, the reason for destruction would be the infection or epidemic what forced those men to leave the Earth. This is the very interesting theory about UFO:s.


The theory is that some scientists could create technology what opened them a route to the other stars. So in this theory, UFO is actually made by humans, but those "ufo-people" would live on another planet where is their base. If we start to think very wild things, we might say that those human experiments are made because those outer space humans need to strengthen their DNA with those humans DNA.


That would be denied the degeneration of their population. Of course, I’m skeptical person, and this writing is for the enjoying. But when we think about that great philosopher the man named as Plato, we must say that he is the man behind the mythical Atlantis, not me. And if we are little sharper that philosopher didn’t imagine Atlantis by himself. He got the idea of that myth from the Egyptian priest. But we don’t know did that priest told that story straight to Plato, or did Plato stand behind some curtain and eavesdropped that priests competition with somebody else.


When we are talking about those lizard-people, what was mentioned by Madame Helena Blavatsky, we must say that those scaly skinned humanoids might be scuba divers who used catfish skin as a diving suit. When I say that those were scuba divers, I don’t mean that they might not have scuba equipment. Only snorkels were enough to give those swimmers capacity to swim undetected to the beach. And if we really think those stories about strange sea people, we must understand that those swimmers might use sharks tails for swimming, and probably this is the origin of the stories of sirens. The catfish skin is waterproof and the swimming and diving suits are made by that material before synthetic suites.

Friday, October 13, 2017

Thinking about totalitaristic governments




"Philosopher"
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Totalitaristic way to rule nation is not actually wrong. We might say that every state what have governments and justice systems are someway totalitaristic. That means if law of state says something people must follow it in everyday life. When there is a text in lawbook that obliges every person who is in landscape or jurisdiction of that state. Law is always total, if anybody in that state will break it, that person should be punished. Laws are necessary things to protect citizens and other people from anarchy. They are upfront given orders how things should do in some area. Even dictatorship is not wrong itself. If dictator is good person he or she might rule with wisdom, but that kind of thing allows rise of despotic governments.


When dictators rule wisely we might forget that their sons might not be so wise than their parents were.  Good example of situation where good willing dictatorship was followed by despotic government was Gustav vasa the king of Sweden. He was good ruler but his sons were something else. So when swedish law changed that the eldest son of the king will automatically become ruler of the nation they forgot that king Gustav the Vasa had three sons, and that almost destroyed Sweden. Those sons were not like him, and their crossfire made impossible to make anything in that state.


And laws are made to protect weak persons against strong. But as we know that Plato was somehow right when he wrote about laws. Honest people doesn't need laws, and criminals always knows how to go round those texts, but that was his opinion. When we are talking about Plato we always forget that he lived in time, where normal people didn't have any kind of way to get real justice. If Plato won't support leaders he would go to executioner was policy of those days.


That's why Plato writes so many text what support leaders and kings. Plato was philosopher who we know about his way to support inherited way to rule nations, and in his model power will transfer from father to son. If he had been written something else, would leaders of state cut of his head. Fear of revenge of those leaders like Solon forced Plato supports strong leadership and strong authority for government. And that makes this man one of the most liked writer of history.


But when we return to think philosophers we must realize that those men were all individualists. Their way to life was far away from normal people life. And people might think that they were weird. And those men were very good speakers and texts what are made by them are very rhetorical. If those men wrote something, they always must realize that those texts might be dangerous for them. So they indicated in their text to some else philosopher who died couple of years ago. That sometimes saved their life, when original writer of text was dying couple of years ago.


They could say that somebody said that first. But philosophers had other kind of cover roles, and one was of course playwrights role. They could say that they are making some theatrical dramas, and that sometimes made leaders to relax with them. Philosophy is strange and dangerous thing, because it teaches people to think themselves. And when they learn to think, they will find new ways to handle some other things like moralistic and ethical methodology.

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